Wednesday, October 20, 2010

Lviv pogroms, petlura days 27-29 VII 41


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  1. My God, My God, you must be so ashamed by man's inhumanity to man. My heart breaks for all of these scared precious ones.

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    1. The truth is: http://mbc.cyfrowemazowsze.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=17997&from=FBC Polish PhD. about population of Ukrainians, Polish and Jews in 1939. Also read: Cherubin D. Ludnosc polska w więzieniach i obozach radzieckich w latach 1939–1941. They tells: "Ukrainians were least national Minorities in quantities in Lviv at those period." So this is not antisemitizm pogroms.
      As you can understand: Crowd consisted from Polish, Jews and Ukrainians. Not ONLY Ukrainians. Lviv was NOT part of Ukraine in 1941but city of Poland occupied by USSSR, Ukrainians were least minority in 1941.
      Also victims are not ONLY Jews (and NO ONE killed Jews in Lviv then, ). Because this ransack happened after this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres
      https://www.pinterest.com/pin/334110866079433764/ - some citizens informed and helped to NKVD (which then killed rebels of Lviv) and crowd looked for families of NKVD supporters or informators, they looked for blame of guiltiness but find only families, no one could prove innocence or guilt. I do not justify crowd, I’m just explain what really happened. Often different photos used as photos of Holocaust, abusing Jews.

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    2. It is a dark time in history. I think there was a certain mob mentality that kicked it. The tormentors of the innocent people appear to be enjoying their games. My minister once said that once you convince people any group is "subhuman" then anything is possible.
      Hitler in his bunker, preparing to die, blamed it all on the Jews.

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    3. "Oh, really? I don't think so.
      You are trying to justify ukrainian people who cruelly slaughtered their neighbors, because they thought germans will create them independence ukraine country.
      30 of june, 1941 on 4:30 am to lviv came Nachtigall battalion (consisting Ukrainians and Germans) and they together with OUN(Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) persuaded citizens to killing Jews and Poles.
      Yes, non-Jewish Poles were murdered too. And this is the fact.

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      "Ляхів, жидів, комуністів знищуй без милосердя, не жалій ворогів української народної революції!" what means: "Poles, Jews and comunists destroy without mercy, for enemies of ukrainian national revolution marcy have not!" were all over the city.
      Ukrainian nationalists thought that Germans will bring them independance and thats why they mordered Jews and Poles.
      This is the truth."

      Yep, he is right.

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  2. The truth is: http://mbc.cyfrowemazowsze.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=17997&from=FBC Polish PhD. about population of Ukrainians, Polish and Jews in 1939. Also read: Cherubin D. Ludnosc polska w więzieniach i obozach radzieckich w latach 1939–1941. They tells: "Ukrainians were least national Minorities in quantities in Lviv at those period." So this is not antisemitizm pogroms.
    As you can understand: Crowd consisted from Polish, Jews and Ukrainians. Not ONLY Ukrainians. Lviv was NOT part of Ukraine in 1941but city of Poland occupied by USSSR, Ukrainians were least minority in 1941.
    Also victims are not ONLY Jews (and NO ONE killed Jews in Lviv then, ). Because this ransack happened after this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/334110866079433764/ - some citizens informed and helped to NKVD (which then killed rebels of Lviv) and crowd looked for families of NKVD supporters or informators, they looked for blame of guiltiness but find only families, no one could prove innocence or guilt. I do not justify crowd, I’m just explain what really happened. Often different photos used as photos of Holocaust, abusing Jews.

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    1. "I’m just explain what really happened."
      Oh, really? I don't think so.
      You are trying to justify ukrainian people who cruelly slaughtered their neighbors, because they thought germans will create them independence ukraine country.
      30 of june, 1941 on 4:30 am to lviv came Nachtigall battalion (consisting Ukrainians and Germans) and they together with OUN(Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) persuaded citizens to killing Jews and Poles.
      Yes, non-Jewish Poles were murdered too. And this is the fact.

      Flying says:
      "Ляхів, жидів, комуністів знищуй без милосердя, не жалій ворогів української народної революції!" what means: "Poles, Jews and comunists destroy without mercy, for enemies of ukrainian national revolution marcy have not!" were all over the city.
      Ukrainian nationalists thought that Germans will bring them independance and thats why they mordered Jews and Poles.
      This is the truth.

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    2. To Lesya: Look up General Petliura, learn what he did, then perhaps you can post an accurate reply.

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  3. cest horrible tres horrible

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  4. ce que les generations et l humanite doit connetre par droit de savoir et ce que les fanatiques de ce monde surtout dans le monde du sionisme et le monde du fauxislme doivent mettre fin stttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttooooooooooooooooooooooopppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp a la violence et au terrorisme

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  5. ce que les generations et l humanite doit connetre par droit de savoir et ce que les fanatiques de ce monde surtout dans le monde du sionisme et le monde du fauxislme doivent mettre fin stttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttooooooooooooooooooooooopppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp a la violence et au terrorisme

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  6. cest horrible tres horrible

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  7. ¡El peor enemigo del hombre, es el mismo hombre!

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  8. I think that these photos of naked women should be removed because it is like raping the victims for a second time.

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    1. no! people need to know the truth and the horror to truely understand the scale of what happened!

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    2. I agree. The pictures must be seen. Never ever forget.

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  9. I think that these photos of naked women should be removed because it is like raping the victims for a second time.

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    1. But people has got to know and see what horrors these people went through.

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    2. ...and not repeatd any more.

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  10. Forgive, the hardest thing to do. So very sad. Peace and love

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  11. These were relatively small reprisals for Jewish involvement in Bolshevik Communism, which butchered over 7 million Ukrainians.

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  12. Reprisals against the innocent are the norm, the Poles were hated by many Germans because of the Poles murdering German families living in East Prussia after WW1. The NKVD was Jewish from top to bottom and murdered and terrorized everybody in the Ukraine to force collective farming. The Germans had no problems finding willing killers to do their dirty work in Europe to kill Jews and Communists.

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    1. There is no such thing as East Prussia, and never was. Just because Germans tried to get control over those lands (during centuries, and unsuccessfully) don't make it German land. It was always Polish land (Wielkopolska) the first and most important region of Poland's first Piast. Go and learn some history.

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    2. Actually Prussia existed before Germany. It was Bismarck that unified over 300 small states into Germany.

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    3. To Dresden: You live in a false reality. Jews left Europe in droves in the 1880s. If in fact they were the body of power, why did they flee an area where they had a large population? True, this region changed hands often between Austria, Germany, Poland, Russia & Ukraine. The Jews had enough of population to try and claim a territory for themselves. They were not successful, and faced terrible consequences. Generally the Poles are the most decent of the bunch, not the Ukrainians, nor the Russians. Please don't lie to try & justify the evils of history.

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  13. Reprisals against the innocent are the norm, the Poles were hated by many Germans because of the Poles murdering German families living in East Prussia after WW1. The NKVD was Jewish from top to bottom and murdered and terrorized everybody in the Ukraine to force collective farming. The Germans had no problems finding willing killers to do their dirty work in Europe to kill Jews and Communists.

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  14. Западенцы - они такие, ничего не изменилось , всегда так было и будет

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  15. Animals only kill to eat. Humans kill because they are a defective animal. I would like to think there is a special place in Hell for them.

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